Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Illinois Valley Community Hospital
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The result was delete. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:45, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Non-notable local hospital. Insufficient independent sources from which to draw a verifiable article. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 21:28, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:45, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:45, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Theopolisme (talk) 00:00, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 00:23, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete fails WP:ORG. the gnews coverage is passing. and not all hospitals are notable. LibStar (talk) 05:54, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Strongest possible keep Hospital was formed from two historic and notable hospitals. This is an important subject to the community's history. Should not be deleted. Article can certainly be improved. Candleabracadabra (talk) 16:51, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- strongest possible keep? I would have saved that for water or Barack Obama. LibStar (talk) 01:30, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Unfortunately many articles from the past 100 - 126 years aren't available online. But I am sure the libraries in Peru can assist. I just don't see that there's any question that a community's major hospitals (now joined into one) are nonnotable. How many births, deaths, etc. have taken place there? How many victims of major accidents and crimes in the area have been taken to the hospitals (there are plenty of sources covering some of these instances from more recent events). And then there are articles like [25,000 Watch 2,500 Nurses Stage Parade] from the Chicago Tribune May 22, 1954 about how "the nursing nuns from St. Mary's hospital of La Salle county" attracted attention. Unfortunately it's behind a paywall. But we know that lots of these sources exist. There are also articles like this one about legislative impacts on the hospital. There is also the architectural history to consider. Etc. etc. Candleabracadabra (talk) 17:38, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Unfortunately, the kind of coverage Candleabracadabra is discussing are mere mentions in passing. When a news report tells of a victim being brought to a hospital for treatment, or that nurses from a hospital are on parade, that report rarely gives an in-depth history of the hospital. Without such in-depth coverage, from what sources are we to draw verifiable information about the hospital? WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 17:49, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not talking about mere mentions. I'm talking about substantial coverage that isn't available online. Candleabracadabra (talk) 17:51, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Unfortunately, the kind of coverage Candleabracadabra is discussing are mere mentions in passing. When a news report tells of a victim being brought to a hospital for treatment, or that nurses from a hospital are on parade, that report rarely gives an in-depth history of the hospital. Without such in-depth coverage, from what sources are we to draw verifiable information about the hospital? WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 17:49, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Unfortunately many articles from the past 100 - 126 years aren't available online. But I am sure the libraries in Peru can assist. I just don't see that there's any question that a community's major hospitals (now joined into one) are nonnotable. How many births, deaths, etc. have taken place there? How many victims of major accidents and crimes in the area have been taken to the hospitals (there are plenty of sources covering some of these instances from more recent events). And then there are articles like [25,000 Watch 2,500 Nurses Stage Parade] from the Chicago Tribune May 22, 1954 about how "the nursing nuns from St. Mary's hospital of La Salle county" attracted attention. Unfortunately it's behind a paywall. But we know that lots of these sources exist. There are also articles like this one about legislative impacts on the hospital. There is also the architectural history to consider. Etc. etc. Candleabracadabra (talk) 17:38, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Here's a postcard of one of the two historic hospitals covered in the article and here is just one example of the substantial coverage the hospital has received. There's 126 years worth and the subject shouldn't be discriminated against just because WikiDan can't be bothered to access the many offline sources available in libraries. Candleabracadabra (talk) 18:16, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Run of the mill hospital. Sources are local and do not cover the hospital substantially enough. If other sources can be found in libraries, then this article can be recreated. Beerest355 Talk 22:35, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.